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	<title>Comments on: The &#8220;Value&#8221; of Music</title>
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	<description>read, hear and see what Hungry Lucy is up to</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: War-N</title>
		<link>http://blog.hungrylucy.com/2008/03/23/the-value-of-music/#comment-115575</link>
		<dc:creator>War-N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did listen to Macbreak Weekly #82 and was very interested to hear Patrick's thoughts on the matter. He answered a few questions with "We let the label worry about that", which told me that he does have a slightly different mindset than I. 

I'd love to be on Macbreak... I'm not "famous" enough for that though. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did listen to Macbreak Weekly #82 and was very interested to hear Patrick&#8217;s thoughts on the matter. He answered a few questions with &#8220;We let the label worry about that&#8221;, which told me that he does have a slightly different mindset than I. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to be on Macbreak&#8230; I&#8217;m not &#8220;famous&#8221; enough for that though. <img src='http://blog.hungrylucy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Bibo</title>
		<link>http://blog.hungrylucy.com/2008/03/23/the-value-of-music/#comment-115381</link>
		<dc:creator>Bibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you haven't listened to this weeks MacBreak Weekly Podcast, episode 82 with Special Guest: Patrick Wilson of Weezer, you should. And then you should be a guest on MacBreak Weekly to talk about the music biz from the independent side. He seems to feel the CD is just a promotional tool too as they seem to make the majority of their money from concerts and merchandise. I think you two would make great guests discussing on how you do things from home studio recording, promotion, Podcasting etc.. And the fact that touring seems to NOT be your means to making money but the sale of CDs is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you haven&#8217;t listened to this weeks MacBreak Weekly Podcast, episode 82 with Special Guest: Patrick Wilson of Weezer, you should. And then you should be a guest on MacBreak Weekly to talk about the music biz from the independent side. He seems to feel the CD is just a promotional tool too as they seem to make the majority of their money from concerts and merchandise. I think you two would make great guests discussing on how you do things from home studio recording, promotion, Podcasting etc.. And the fact that touring seems to NOT be your means to making money but the sale of CDs is.</p>
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		<title>By: Christa Belle</title>
		<link>http://blog.hungrylucy.com/2008/03/23/the-value-of-music/#comment-114051</link>
		<dc:creator>Christa Belle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! I just read all of these comments in one sitting. Quite a mixed bag. The only comment I didn't understand was by DJbarista. I think the people who can't afford music due to large families and the like, and life in general, are the ones who need to be uplifted most of all. Music is a great healer. That's one reason I write the songs I write. My goal with music is to help people know that they are not alone. I feel that if someone "needs" to hear Hungry Lucy and can't afford to get a CD, they can go listen to us directly at our site with no money used. 

This is SUCH a vast topic it's impossible to point out every point I'd like to make. My bottom line is that Hungry Lucy makes music FOR the people, and because we love it. Those same people support us immensely just by listening to the music we've made. We are where we are due to "word of mouth" and loyal fans who have exposed us to friends and such. Those people have turned around and bought the cd's...just look at the above comments! 

And, once again, this is how we feel about OUR music and how WE like to operate. We know there is a circumstance to each and every band that makes music. No one way is the right way. This is what works for US. With or without the changes in technology, we will always share our love, and music, with the fans.

Thanks to everyone who voiced their opinion. This is the largest amount of comments ever! You are all lovely. Thanks for not being afraid to make your voice heard!

Take care,

cb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I just read all of these comments in one sitting. Quite a mixed bag. The only comment I didn&#8217;t understand was by DJbarista. I think the people who can&#8217;t afford music due to large families and the like, and life in general, are the ones who need to be uplifted most of all. Music is a great healer. That&#8217;s one reason I write the songs I write. My goal with music is to help people know that they are not alone. I feel that if someone &#8220;needs&#8221; to hear Hungry Lucy and can&#8217;t afford to get a CD, they can go listen to us directly at our site with no money used. </p>
<p>This is SUCH a vast topic it&#8217;s impossible to point out every point I&#8217;d like to make. My bottom line is that Hungry Lucy makes music FOR the people, and because we love it. Those same people support us immensely just by listening to the music we&#8217;ve made. We are where we are due to &#8220;word of mouth&#8221; and loyal fans who have exposed us to friends and such. Those people have turned around and bought the cd&#8217;s&#8230;just look at the above comments! </p>
<p>And, once again, this is how we feel about OUR music and how WE like to operate. We know there is a circumstance to each and every band that makes music. No one way is the right way. This is what works for US. With or without the changes in technology, we will always share our love, and music, with the fans.</p>
<p>Thanks to everyone who voiced their opinion. This is the largest amount of comments ever! You are all lovely. Thanks for not being afraid to make your voice heard!</p>
<p>Take care,</p>
<p>cb</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://blog.hungrylucy.com/2008/03/23/the-value-of-music/#comment-113932</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have mixed feelings on this whole thing. On the one hand, I love free music, and have found a lot of interesting bands via downloading. I agree with you that this is the way music is going, especially since some big names in more than one genre (Tom Petty is also big on free downloading) are offering up free downloads on their own. I also enjoy the feeling of being able to say, "Hey, check out this band," and giving a burned cd to a friend, which I've just done with To Kill a King. I won't do that if the artist isn't cool with it. 

Which brings me to the other side of things. I can really feel for people like Tom Shear, who points out on his website that people in the industrial/synth pop (and related) scenes don't make money hand over foot: 

"When you consider the small numbers most artists in this scene sell, it becomes clear that literally every purchase counts. If you're a mainstream band selling 100,000 copies of an album, you might not notice if 100 people bootleg your album, but if you are only selling 1,000 copies, as many artists in this scene do, that's a full ten percent of your sales you're losing!"

I did initially find Assemblage 23 through downloading, and I have since bought all of his cds, but I also think I'm a bit of a dinosaur in my young age (still don't have a cell phone, for example.) 

I agree that the value of music is subjective, but I'd hate to miss out on hearing great performers from smaller scenes because they can't afford to put bread on the table by making music. And I know you guys have day jobs and do Hungry Lucy anyway, but I expect there are other very talented people who either aren't willing or can't afford to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have mixed feelings on this whole thing. On the one hand, I love free music, and have found a lot of interesting bands via downloading. I agree with you that this is the way music is going, especially since some big names in more than one genre (Tom Petty is also big on free downloading) are offering up free downloads on their own. I also enjoy the feeling of being able to say, &#8220;Hey, check out this band,&#8221; and giving a burned cd to a friend, which I&#8217;ve just done with To Kill a King. I won&#8217;t do that if the artist isn&#8217;t cool with it. </p>
<p>Which brings me to the other side of things. I can really feel for people like Tom Shear, who points out on his website that people in the industrial/synth pop (and related) scenes don&#8217;t make money hand over foot: </p>
<p>&#8220;When you consider the small numbers most artists in this scene sell, it becomes clear that literally every purchase counts. If you&#8217;re a mainstream band selling 100,000 copies of an album, you might not notice if 100 people bootleg your album, but if you are only selling 1,000 copies, as many artists in this scene do, that&#8217;s a full ten percent of your sales you&#8217;re losing!&#8221;</p>
<p>I did initially find Assemblage 23 through downloading, and I have since bought all of his cds, but I also think I&#8217;m a bit of a dinosaur in my young age (still don&#8217;t have a cell phone, for example.) </p>
<p>I agree that the value of music is subjective, but I&#8217;d hate to miss out on hearing great performers from smaller scenes because they can&#8217;t afford to put bread on the table by making music. And I know you guys have day jobs and do Hungry Lucy anyway, but I expect there are other very talented people who either aren&#8217;t willing or can&#8217;t afford to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsten Kraft</title>
		<link>http://blog.hungrylucy.com/2008/03/23/the-value-of-music/#comment-113855</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsten Kraft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think music's value has a dollar price. I especially don't feel that the actual artists make what they are worth because the record companies take so much of the money. I prefer to buy CDs directly from the artists and I go to concerts to help support the artist (especially smaller venues). 

I have downloaded songs for free and then bought the album later. I don't keep free stuff on my computer, unless I absolutely cannot find the music in any form other than what I found for a download. That does sometimes happen with the more obscure stuff I listen to. I have paid very large price to own music that is imported from Europe and Japan as well as 99 cents a song from various download sites. 

For me music is priceless, but when we are faced with an economic downturn and the cost of imported music increasing, then it is just a matter of whether my budget can handle the cost or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think music&#8217;s value has a dollar price. I especially don&#8217;t feel that the actual artists make what they are worth because the record companies take so much of the money. I prefer to buy CDs directly from the artists and I go to concerts to help support the artist (especially smaller venues). </p>
<p>I have downloaded songs for free and then bought the album later. I don&#8217;t keep free stuff on my computer, unless I absolutely cannot find the music in any form other than what I found for a download. That does sometimes happen with the more obscure stuff I listen to. I have paid very large price to own music that is imported from Europe and Japan as well as 99 cents a song from various download sites. </p>
<p>For me music is priceless, but when we are faced with an economic downturn and the cost of imported music increasing, then it is just a matter of whether my budget can handle the cost or not.</p>
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		<title>By: D in ATL</title>
		<link>http://blog.hungrylucy.com/2008/03/23/the-value-of-music/#comment-113832</link>
		<dc:creator>D in ATL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found Hungry Lucy on mp3.com years ago. If it weren't for that model I would have never found many of my favorite bands I listen to now.  I have purchased Hungry Lucy CDs only after downloading them. What I would like to see is a direct to artist pay what you feel it's worth alternative. I would gladly still Pay $20 for all the songs on Apparitions alone. I think artists should get paid. Paid to play, perform, and record music.  I like listening to music before buying. I don't like knowing that the majority of what I pay doesn't make it to the pockets of the artist. For some of the larger bands that can afford to tour nationwide like NIN and RH and Prince, free is the way to go. There was an article in Wired this month about Free. Very interesting read. What it fails to consider is the smaller guys. 

Add a donate to the band Link on the home page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found Hungry Lucy on mp3.com years ago. If it weren&#8217;t for that model I would have never found many of my favorite bands I listen to now.  I have purchased Hungry Lucy CDs only after downloading them. What I would like to see is a direct to artist pay what you feel it&#8217;s worth alternative. I would gladly still Pay $20 for all the songs on Apparitions alone. I think artists should get paid. Paid to play, perform, and record music.  I like listening to music before buying. I don&#8217;t like knowing that the majority of what I pay doesn&#8217;t make it to the pockets of the artist. For some of the larger bands that can afford to tour nationwide like NIN and RH and Prince, free is the way to go. There was an article in Wired this month about Free. Very interesting read. What it fails to consider is the smaller guys. </p>
<p>Add a donate to the band Link on the home page.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Soulliard</title>
		<link>http://blog.hungrylucy.com/2008/03/23/the-value-of-music/#comment-113775</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Soulliard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without free file sharing, I doubt I would have ever stumbled across Hungry Lucy.  No one wants to pay for something they don't like, so the ability the internet gives you to discover what's around and what you like is invaluable.  However, I do believe that artists should get compensation for their energy.  After downloading a bunch of HL songs, I went back and purchased the CDs.  We should constantly strive to support the music community by buying their albums, but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that music is about music, not money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without free file sharing, I doubt I would have ever stumbled across Hungry Lucy.  No one wants to pay for something they don&#8217;t like, so the ability the internet gives you to discover what&#8217;s around and what you like is invaluable.  However, I do believe that artists should get compensation for their energy.  After downloading a bunch of HL songs, I went back and purchased the CDs.  We should constantly strive to support the music community by buying their albums, but we shouldn&#8217;t lose sight of the fact that music is about music, not money.</p>
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		<title>By: Breen</title>
		<link>http://blog.hungrylucy.com/2008/03/23/the-value-of-music/#comment-113763</link>
		<dc:creator>Breen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I am often lambasted when I write or talk about the inherent value of music (to me, the value is priceless as well). I had a person tell me "All music is just data."

My fear is for the next generations. Yes, there will always be music-heads who go deep with music. But as kids grow up and music is relegated to another internet distraction, I fear music will lose its cache and JUST become another entertainment option, like a videogame or IM/text messages or whatever. As long as there are real artists making music that attempts to connect, it will always have a fanbase. But I think in 50 years, that fanbase will be like the fanbase of vinyl records today. For everyone else, music will be like wallpaper. Having music available for free only speeds up that process. 

I hope I'm wrong!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I am often lambasted when I write or talk about the inherent value of music (to me, the value is priceless as well). I had a person tell me &#8220;All music is just data.&#8221;</p>
<p>My fear is for the next generations. Yes, there will always be music-heads who go deep with music. But as kids grow up and music is relegated to another internet distraction, I fear music will lose its cache and JUST become another entertainment option, like a videogame or IM/text messages or whatever. As long as there are real artists making music that attempts to connect, it will always have a fanbase. But I think in 50 years, that fanbase will be like the fanbase of vinyl records today. For everyone else, music will be like wallpaper. Having music available for free only speeds up that process. </p>
<p>I hope I&#8217;m wrong!</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
		<link>http://blog.hungrylucy.com/2008/03/23/the-value-of-music/#comment-113721</link>
		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without the internet my music taste would be so much more limited. Without online communities and the chance to listen to non-mainstream tracks for free, I'd never have discovered metal and all the independent or minor label musicians I love. This includes yourselves (great selection of music videos, some tracks free to download on your page), Hannah Fury (several good full songs available to download for free, spanning her discography), Emilie Autumn (one album posted entirely for free several years ago, now uses MySpace and VampireFreaks), Morgan Grace (MySpace and CDBaby samples), Maplebee (same), Caroline Lavelle (free music player on her website), Sleepthief (same, plus music videos on YouTube), scarling. (MySpace), Sieben (same) and so on. Can't get to many gigs so the only way I can support them financially is to buy all their CDs, which I'll do happily for the enjoyment of the music. I've been put off bands by their labels releasing several versions of the same record, where fans wind up paying through the nose for a bonus track, a picture gallery and extra packaging. Some labels like nothing better than exploiting the fans' desire to support a band they love.

So being a pirate has made me a loyal customer of a range of great bands and musicians who make music for the joy of it, not because they're the latest polished product churned out by the X-Factor or whatever. Without the internet my eyes wouldn't have been opened to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without the internet my music taste would be so much more limited. Without online communities and the chance to listen to non-mainstream tracks for free, I&#8217;d never have discovered metal and all the independent or minor label musicians I love. This includes yourselves (great selection of music videos, some tracks free to download on your page), Hannah Fury (several good full songs available to download for free, spanning her discography), Emilie Autumn (one album posted entirely for free several years ago, now uses MySpace and VampireFreaks), Morgan Grace (MySpace and CDBaby samples), Maplebee (same), Caroline Lavelle (free music player on her website), Sleepthief (same, plus music videos on YouTube), scarling. (MySpace), Sieben (same) and so on. Can&#8217;t get to many gigs so the only way I can support them financially is to buy all their CDs, which I&#8217;ll do happily for the enjoyment of the music. I&#8217;ve been put off bands by their labels releasing several versions of the same record, where fans wind up paying through the nose for a bonus track, a picture gallery and extra packaging. Some labels like nothing better than exploiting the fans&#8217; desire to support a band they love.</p>
<p>So being a pirate has made me a loyal customer of a range of great bands and musicians who make music for the joy of it, not because they&#8217;re the latest polished product churned out by the X-Factor or whatever. Without the internet my eyes wouldn&#8217;t have been opened to them.</p>
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		<title>By: arcadia</title>
		<link>http://blog.hungrylucy.com/2008/03/23/the-value-of-music/#comment-113715</link>
		<dc:creator>arcadia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as an advertising producer, i work with actors, singers, and musicians, sometimes paying them union rates, and sometimes negotiating payment individually. clients often balk at paying someone what looks like hundreds or even thousands of dollars an hour, plus residual payments for future use of the recordings. the essence of my response is that everyone needs to eat, everyone needs a fair wage for their gift, for what they contribute to the world.

i feel the same about music. especially because of the immense marketing apparatus of the music industry, i feel nothing when i rip cds by famous musicians who have millions of cds in circulation. i prefer to pay for cds on independent labels. and when i see an artist in person, i almost invariably buy one or more cds. 

i "give away" a lot of music, though, and this feels like a different consideration. because i have a very large, broad library of recordings, i give away a lot of copies of recordings. some of these hit, and people fall in love with an artist. most go nowhere, but those artists got a hearing they wouldn't have. 

as a visual artist whose work has been widely copied on the web without attribution or payment, i feel i know firsthand what it's like to have one's work "stolen." true, i achieved a small measure of internet "fame" but gained nothing thereby. i have to work a job i don't like much to pay for the privilege of producing work that people enjoy and trade for free, a situation most musicians are intimately familiar with. 

ultimately, i think my basic principle--everyone needs to eat, everyone deserves a fair wage for what they contribute to the world--is a starting place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as an advertising producer, i work with actors, singers, and musicians, sometimes paying them union rates, and sometimes negotiating payment individually. clients often balk at paying someone what looks like hundreds or even thousands of dollars an hour, plus residual payments for future use of the recordings. the essence of my response is that everyone needs to eat, everyone needs a fair wage for their gift, for what they contribute to the world.</p>
<p>i feel the same about music. especially because of the immense marketing apparatus of the music industry, i feel nothing when i rip cds by famous musicians who have millions of cds in circulation. i prefer to pay for cds on independent labels. and when i see an artist in person, i almost invariably buy one or more cds. </p>
<p>i &#8220;give away&#8221; a lot of music, though, and this feels like a different consideration. because i have a very large, broad library of recordings, i give away a lot of copies of recordings. some of these hit, and people fall in love with an artist. most go nowhere, but those artists got a hearing they wouldn&#8217;t have. </p>
<p>as a visual artist whose work has been widely copied on the web without attribution or payment, i feel i know firsthand what it&#8217;s like to have one&#8217;s work &#8220;stolen.&#8221; true, i achieved a small measure of internet &#8220;fame&#8221; but gained nothing thereby. i have to work a job i don&#8217;t like much to pay for the privilege of producing work that people enjoy and trade for free, a situation most musicians are intimately familiar with. </p>
<p>ultimately, i think my basic principle&#8211;everyone needs to eat, everyone deserves a fair wage for what they contribute to the world&#8211;is a starting place.</p>
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